14 thoughts on “Let the Bible Define Grace”

  1. “So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.” – Romans 11:5-6
    We receive God’s grace through faith, when we are humbled by God’s mercy, He freely gives us what we don’t deserve, the gift of eternal Life.

    Where does saving faith come from?
    “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Eph. 2:8-9

  2. If the initial impulse was left up solely to man to move towards God none would be saved. Paul in Romans quotes from the book Psalms that “no one seeks God & no one understands, there is no fear (respect) of God in man.”
    Grace is God’s love flowing towards people who don’t deserve His mercy, all of us. How we come to receive God’s grace, is by faith, by trusting in Christ. We can do nothing to deserve or earn God’s grace, it is freely given to all who would come to Christ, as their Savior, Lord, and supreme Treasure in their lives.
    How we continue in grace is by trusting in God’s promises each day that Christ would be glorified in our lives -Gal. 2:20

  3. The Bible never mentions undeserved when speaking of grace. Grace is favor and there is a way to get it. Doing what God says to get it does not mean one deserves it, it’s just how one gets it.

  4. Is there anything a man can do to deserve grace? The answer is no, so by definition it is undeserved. Unless you’re saying we can do something to deserve grace? But that doesn’t seem to be your point in your reply by stating “Doing what God says to get it does not mean one deserves it”
    Undeserved is just another way of saying we cannot earn by works, God’s grace, it is attained by faith, and by faith alone.
    Jeff I really don’t understand your beef with the term undeserved, it doesn’t mean faith is not required, only that we cannot earn it.

  5. I don’t have a beef with the term, I even said that in the video. My beef is with the interpretation that says there is nothing we do to get grace.

  6. So, is this a “common grace” sort of every day mercy, or is this salvation?

    For, if we’re caught in our sinful nature, how can we do the things that need to be done to get grace (e.g., be humble)? How can we even attempt them for any righteous reason? We’d be doing a work to earn our salvation, no?

  7. Josh,
    Faith is not a work, it is a gift.“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Eph. 2:8-9
    Where Jeff and I differ is he believes that man with his free will is able to choose to humble himself to attain God’s grace.
    But said Jesus only those whom the Father draws can come to Him. And all that come will be saved and He will not lose even one that the Father has given Him. Jesus is saying that the Father must open our heart by the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome our sinful nature that neither wants or understands spiritual truth. If the initial impulse was left up solely to man to move towards God none would be saved. Paul in Romans 3 quotes from the book Psalms that “no one seeks God & no one understands, there is no fear (respect) of God in man.”
    If we truly knew the power of sin over us, the thought of us being able to free ourselves from it, to choose believe God would be improbable.

  8. Josh,
    Salvation is by grace through faith. No man can work the work that Christ alone worked–primarily the work of justification. It is Christ alone.

    Not everyone is saved, so there must be something that determines who benefits from the work of Christ. Faith is the determining factor.

    Faith is often understood as a mental understanding or acknowledgment, whereas biblical faith implies repentance and humility. It is my understanding of Scripture that a person can repent with humble faith.

    THis is not a work of the law, (the “work” that Paul, Christ, the Prophets, etc are always railing against), it is not a way of meriting salvation, it is responding to the condition God placed upon receiving salvation by grace. IT does not imply merit, deserving, working, or any of those other words.

  9. As to not being able to seek God, there are other verses. Acts 17:27 “That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us.”

    Paul says it is possible to seek God and not even that hard because God isn’t hiding. Romans 1 says God is easily seen by the things that are made. Romans 3 is speaking as a general statement, generally speaking, men do not seek God. No one argues that point. But the statement does not mean man can’t seek God, that would just be silly and a contradiction of much Scripture.

  10. Telling someone that they should seek the Lord is not the deciding point, Jesus pleaded with the Jews to believe in Him, and in the end only a hand full did. Scripture is full of warnings and examples of what will happen if we don’t turn to God, because He is merciful and desires that none should perish but that all would be saved.
    Romans 1 does say that God is clearly seen by creation and that is why man is without an excuse, as we have a Creator to answer to.
    As I said before we underestimate the power of sin, yes people can choose, only they won’t choose Christ, not without God doing a work in their heart first.

  11. Yeah I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and one of us will be enlighten when we finally reach heaven. So look at it this way Jeff when you get there it will be even more glorious when you discover that God chose you and not the other way around ;-)
    peace

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