More Platitudinous Banalities of Facebook Christianity

Here’s the latest Christian thinking as expressed on Facebook:

“If being fair is one of God’s characteristics then all of us will go to hell. That’s fair. I don’t want fair…I want grace. :-)”

Therefore, based on these words, one of God’s characteristics is unfairness. Chapter and verse please.

Certainly we all deserve hell and not going to hell is a showing of grace. But this demonstration of grace is not unfair, otherwise the one who shows grace is unfair.

Rather than allow banal believers to define grace, allow the Apostle Paul to define it:

“To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

God is entirely just (“fair” for those who read the NIV) in justifying the ungodly. Grace does not mean unfairness.

God, through sending His Son to die and rise again, provided a means to escape God’s wrath and it is by placing faith in Him that a person is delivered from wrath.

If grace is foisted upon people for no reason, then yes, God is unfair and grace means unfairness, then God does indeed respect persons.

But grace is given to those with humble faith, otherwise God is not just, fair, righteous, or good. And if He’s not good, there’s no reason to be brought to repentance or to have any confidence whatsoever to place faith in Him.

16 thoughts on “More Platitudinous Banalities of Facebook Christianity”

  1. As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
    Is this statement by God, just?
    Before either man breathed, God hated one and loved the other.
    Before either man lived, God had decided to show saving grace to one, and the other one He rejected.
    “If grace is foisted upon people for no reason, then yes, God is unfair”
    What did Jacob do in his mother’s womb to deserve saving grace, and likewise Esau God’s wrath?
    God offers His grace to all men, John 3:16
    But to those whom He foreknew, He ordained to be conformed into the image of His Son, through saving grace, those whom He had chosen before the foundation of the world.
    Does not the Potter have the right to design which vessel shall be for made for honor and the other made for destruction?

  2. The Potter does have the right.

    But the Potter is not unfair, the Potter is just.

    It’s based on foreknowledge as you say.

  3. Jeff,
    So if God chooses people based on His foreknowledge (of their merit) of said person, how is that not showing “respect”?

  4. “respect of persons” as the Bible uses the phrase is to use something inconsequential to favor someone–letting the rich get away with evil, for example. Instead, God judges every man based on what He does, not a meaningless symbolic judgment–Romans 2:6-11.

  5. So God’s saving grace is based strictly on what “we” do, am I hearing you correctly?

  6. Don’t know exactly what you mean by “god’s saving grace is based on.”

    What I do know is that we are saved by grace through faith, faith does what God says. If a man does not do what God says He has no basis to claim he has God’s grace. We are not saved by works, we are saved by grace. We are not saved by works through faith. Grace is the only means by which a man can be saved.

    Grace works in us–if there are no works there cannot be any grace. God looks for the works, what we did, if there are none, that is proof that grace did not save. “We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.”

  7. God offers grace to all, as in John 3:16, believe in Christ and be saved. And then there is a saving grace that leads to saving faith, that is a gift.
    “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
    God makes an offer of grace to all, but to some He gives the gift of saving grace, that leads to true faith, this does not come from within us, but from God.

  8. Yes, God shows grace to everyone, it’s appeared to all men. We then show by our response to it what we think of it. If it transforms us to walk soberly, righteously and godly we’ve truly received it. If not, we’ve trampled the Son of God underfoot and how shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation?

  9. So who enables us to respond to God’s grace? Our own dead spiritual self? Can a dead man raise himself back up again? Only God can raise someone back up who is dead. Are you implying that man can raise himself up from the dead?

  10. God raises the dead. I cannot raise myself, which is why I place my faith in Christ who raises the dead.

    Being spiritually dead does not imply I am actually dead. I have heard calvinists say we are as dead as a rock. Except, of course, I”m not a rock, I”m a person with ears and a brain.

    I believe the Holy Spirit is at work in bringing a man to salvation, but ultimately it is the man’s choice what he’s going to do with what the Spirit shows him.

    IF we are not capable of believing, responding, repenting, etc then God is a liar when He says things like “whosoever will may come.” Or when He calls on all men everywhere to repent. Or when he says “whosoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

    The fact John Calvin says I can’t repent, call on the Lord, exercise faith, etc means next to nothing to me because God says I can.

  11. Jeff,
    All men are capable of repenting, all men are capable of responding to God’s call, but as you say unless the Holy Spirit does a work, we will not respond to God’s call, because we are spiritually dead. Unless God does a work in our heart, we are who are in the flesh cannot understand or comprehend the things of the Spirit. So you are totally correct in saying unless the Holy Spirit does a work in our heart, we will not experience salvation.

  12. So by the sarcasm I guess I hit a nerve, I apologize, I thought we were just having a good discussion.
    Peace,
    Paul

  13. Jeff,
    One last thing, I don’t remember quoting Calvin in any of our exchange, all I wrote was based on scripture. If you would like, I could quote chapter and verse for each point I made in this exchange.
    I know you know God’s word, if anything I said was unbiblical I believe you would have called me on it. But I feel I am not being a good brother in the Lord towards you, for I have seemed to have made you upset, so I will back off from any more comments in the future.
    Be blessed,
    Paul

  14. Back to the article on “fairness”. It strikes me that however we picture God to be, is how we will eventually be ourselves, for “by beholding we are changed.”

    That being the case, if I perceive God’s grace as “unfairness” that is given to some but withheld from others by an arbitrary choice, then that is how I will be to others. To some, I will show favor, and tend to excuse their sins and overlook them (most likely my relatives, friends, and those who agree with me)…to others I will be severe and condemning (especially those who I do not understand, or who are very different from me, or do things that annoy me).

    This sounds like a recipe for bigotry, hatred, and persecution. No wonder it’s popular, it pleases the natural heart.

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