6 thoughts on “The Requisite of Holiness”

  1. Was wondering…

    What is your understanding of – “holiness?”

    Seems there are many words translated “holiness” in the Bible.

    And…
    What is your understanding of – “to be in ministry?”

    Seems the only “ministry to be in” is for “ALL”
    the ministry of reconciliation.

    2 Cor 5:18*
    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,
    and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

    Thanks

  2. The strict definition of holiness is apartness, being separated. We are to be holy as our Father in heaven is holy–come out from among them and be separate. 2 Timothy 2:20-22 defines it well for this context.

    Yes, every believer has part in the ministry of reconciliation, therefore every believer has need for holiness, which is why we are all called to holiness.

    This seems especially important to those who are esteemed as leaders among believers–1 Timothy 3:1-13. But those in “vocational ministry” are not a special class of believers called to higher aspirations, but merely examples of Christlikeness in conversation and conduct to lead others to the same end–Ephesians 4:11-13.

    If those who esteem themselves as leaders are lacking in holiness, there is no point to their leading and only misery will ensue.

    That’s my short answer!

  3. Jeff

    Yes, I like the idea of “holiness” meaning “separated unto God.”
    “Holiness” is used a few times as “moral purity.” Ouch! ;-)

    I’m also one who is – “frustrated with christianity” as we “see” it.
    “and yet endeavoring to be helpful.”

    You mention “those who are esteemed as leaders”

    How do “you” reconcile the use of the word “leader”
    when “Jesus” told **His Disciples** NOT to be called “leader?”

    The word “leader” seems like a “high place.” Yes?
    Jesus always took and recommended the **low place.** Yes?

    Seems Jesus has a unique take on “Leaders” for **His Body.** “ONE”

    As man – Jesus humbled Himself, made himself of NO reputation,
    and took on the form of a **Servant.** Php 2:7-8 KJV. ;-)

    How many today focus on – “Making himself of NO reputation?” :-(

    Jesus, in Mat 23:10 KJV, told **His disciples** “NOT”
    to call themselves “Master / Leaders,” for
    you have “ONE” “Master / Leader” “The Christ.”

    King James Version –
    Neither be ye called masters:
    for “ONE” is your Master, even Christ.

    The Interlinear Bible –
    Nor be called leaders,
    for “ONE” is your leader the Christ.

    Phillips Modern English –
    you must not let people call you leaders,
    you have only “ONE” leader, Christ.

    Today’s English Version –
    nor should you be called leader.
    your “ONE” and only leader is the Messiah.

    Jesus told **His disciples** NOT to be called **leaders** – NONE did.

    Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
    Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ,
    Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ,
    Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God,
    Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God
    2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant

    **His Disciples** all called themselves **Servants.**
    None called themselves “Leaders.” None? None.
    None called themselves “Servant-Leader.” None.

    If Jesus instructed **His Disciples** NOT to call themselves “leaders”
    and someone calls them self a “leader” or thinks they are a “leader;”

    Are they a “Disciple of Christ?”
    Or, are they NO LONGER a “Disciple of Christ?” Oy Vey!!! ;-)
    Or, are they just a **disobedient** “Disciple of Christ?” ;-)

    Why isn’t what Jesus said important? ;-)

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
    them also I must bring, and they shall **hear MY voice;**
    and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.
    John 10:16

    One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.

    Be blessed in your search for Truth… Jesus

  4. I hear ya. The commandments to not desire to be called a leader does not mean leadership is wrong. The husband is head of the wife, even though there is no difference between male and female in Christ.

    Jesua and Paul told people to follow them, which implies they were leading them seomewhere. Paul even says a number of times to “follow us,” referring to those who were leaders in the church.

    Just as Jesus says not to desire to be called a leader, Paul says “This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.” To desire to be a bishop, an overseer, is a good desire, even though being a bishop is leadership.

    What you say is a nice sounding idea, it uses a couple verses but ignores others so it isn’t biblical. There are leaders and they have been instituted by God, whether the husband leading the home, the governors leading the land, or elders leading the church.

    The problem pointd out by the verses you mention is when men desire to be honored for their leadership, when they are leading men after themsleves rather than after Christ. Paul can say “follow me as I follow Christ” because that’s the point. If Paul said, “Follow me because I am awesome,” then there’s a problem.

    Being a servant is the model of leadership we follow. It’s counterintuitive, but it’s still leadership.
    “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ”

    He gave “some” to do this, not everyone. You can argue that all you want and bring in we’re all one in Christ and we all have the Spirit, etc, it still doesn’t change the fact that he gifted some to do these roles and not others. Many gifts in the one body. Let’s respect them all.

    Romans 12:8, “the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.”

  5. Jeff

    Appreciate the response. And the thoughts.

    Thought you should know… I was in “Leadership” and understand a little, where you’re coming from. I left “The Religious System” through much pain, tears, and “Spiritual Abuse.”

    In Jesus there is always a benefit. :-) All things do work together for good. Causes you to ask different questions. Had to go back to the “Beginning.” Had to go back to Jesus, who is the “Beginning.” Had to get it from Jesus for myself. ;-)

    John 6:45
    It is written in the prophets, And they shall be “ALL” taught of God.

    Luke 6:46
    And why call me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which **I say?**

    John 10:27
    My sheep **hear my voice,** and I know them, and they **follow me**

    1 – You mentioned – Jesus and Paul asking believers to “follow” them…
    “which implies they were **leading** them somewhere.”

    2 – Also Rom 12:8, the one who **leads,** with zeal

    I like the idea of “following” Jesus. He’s the best. ;-)
    Tried “following” man. Human’s who said they were gifted by God
    and a gift from God? Oy Vey!!! An expensive learning experience. ;-)

    If you would like my take on – 1 – Paul saying “Follow us.”
    and, – 2 – “Rom 12:8, the one who **leads,**“ or anything else,
    I would be glad to continue the conversation.

    What is popular is not always “Truth.”
    What is “Truth” is not always popular.

    Mal 3:16
    Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another:
    and the LORD hearkened, and heard it,
    and a book of remembrance was written before him
    for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

    {{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

  6. I was just gonna make a joke about holes in doughnuts and how you could be a holy doughnut maker…but now I see my joke might not be considered holy enough for this comment line.

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